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		<title>By: T.J. Crowder</title>
		<link>http://starpointe.wordpress.com/2008/06/21/some-people-just-dont-get-it/#comment-4840</link>
		<dc:creator>T.J. Crowder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Nov 2009 23:06:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m very happy to see that the Mozy privacy policy (http://mozy.com/privacy) has been amended (months ago, back in May) to do away with the &quot;public safety&quot; and policy enforcement exemptions. Good on Decho for that. The wording is now &quot;Decho does not disclose Personal Data, including the data you back up with the Service, unless disclosure is necessary to comply with an enforceable government request such as a warrant.&quot; That&#039;s a fairly firm commitment.

Unfortunately, the policy falls down a bit at the end where it says they can change it with no notice of any kind (most policies of this sort have a 30-day notice period, so that if you don&#039;t like the policy, you can remove your data before it comes into effect).

It would be good to see a notice period added to that. But in any case it&#039;s very good to see such a big improvement to the policy, and kudos to Decho for responding to the criticisms.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m very happy to see that the Mozy privacy policy (<a href="http://mozy.com/privacy" rel="nofollow">http://mozy.com/privacy</a>) has been amended (months ago, back in May) to do away with the &#8220;public safety&#8221; and policy enforcement exemptions. Good on Decho for that. The wording is now &#8220;Decho does not disclose Personal Data, including the data you back up with the Service, unless disclosure is necessary to comply with an enforceable government request such as a warrant.&#8221; That&#8217;s a fairly firm commitment.</p>
<p>Unfortunately, the policy falls down a bit at the end where it says they can change it with no notice of any kind (most policies of this sort have a 30-day notice period, so that if you don&#8217;t like the policy, you can remove your data before it comes into effect).</p>
<p>It would be good to see a notice period added to that. But in any case it&#8217;s very good to see such a big improvement to the policy, and kudos to Decho for responding to the criticisms.</p>
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		<title>By: JohnP</title>
		<link>http://starpointe.wordpress.com/2008/06/21/some-people-just-dont-get-it/#comment-4838</link>
		<dc:creator>JohnP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Nov 2009 19:11:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The use of a &quot;private key&quot; doesn&#039;t mean that Mozy doesn&#039;t also sign with a &quot;master key.&quot;

Corporations have been adding their master keys to PKI used by their employees for awhile now. This is a corporate best practice to ensure corporate data is available after employees leave or for other emergency purposes.

Since Mozy is in the EMC family, with RSA, I&#039;m positive the RSA guys were helpful on this particular part of the deployment.

Lacking a clear public statement to the contrary, anyone concerned about complete privacy of data recovery without their expressed consent should carefully consider this and alternate providers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The use of a &#8220;private key&#8221; doesn&#8217;t mean that Mozy doesn&#8217;t also sign with a &#8220;master key.&#8221;</p>
<p>Corporations have been adding their master keys to PKI used by their employees for awhile now. This is a corporate best practice to ensure corporate data is available after employees leave or for other emergency purposes.</p>
<p>Since Mozy is in the EMC family, with RSA, I&#8217;m positive the RSA guys were helpful on this particular part of the deployment.</p>
<p>Lacking a clear public statement to the contrary, anyone concerned about complete privacy of data recovery without their expressed consent should carefully consider this and alternate providers.</p>
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		<title>By: toporganicseo</title>
		<link>http://starpointe.wordpress.com/2008/06/21/some-people-just-dont-get-it/#comment-4385</link>
		<dc:creator>toporganicseo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Sep 2009 04:57:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi,

Good work</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi,</p>
<p>Good work</p>
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		<title>By: toporganicseo</title>
		<link>http://starpointe.wordpress.com/2008/06/21/some-people-just-dont-get-it/#comment-4383</link>
		<dc:creator>toporganicseo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Sep 2009 04:50:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi,

NICE ARTICLE</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi,</p>
<p>NICE ARTICLE</p>
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		<title>By: T.J. Crowder</title>
		<link>http://starpointe.wordpress.com/2008/06/21/some-people-just-dont-get-it/#comment-1567</link>
		<dc:creator>T.J. Crowder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Feb 2009 15:10:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ryan,

More than a half a year later, and at least one update of the privacy policy later (as it&#039; s currently dated Nov 17th, 2008), that third paragraph is still there.

That stops me in my tracks.  A good friend of mine highly recommend Mozy as being really incredibly easy to use, unobtrusive, having a great stance on how much you can back up (he warned Mozy he had a *lot*, and the response was just &quot;Bring it on&quot;), etc.  I was jazzed.

But sorry, no, you are not the arbiters of public safety.  That&#039;s the whole point of court orders.  If someone is in imminent danger, the relevant court can have a subpoena in your hands in no time.  And as for protecting your policies, well, that&#039;s not a good enough reason to hand over my data to third parties.  It&#039;s not even a close call.

If Mozy ever want to revise that policy to be more like Carbonite&#039;s, I&#039;m in.  Meanwhile, I guess I have to go deal with their stuff.
--
T.J. Crowder
tj / crowder software / com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ryan,</p>
<p>More than a half a year later, and at least one update of the privacy policy later (as it&#8217; s currently dated Nov 17th, 2008), that third paragraph is still there.</p>
<p>That stops me in my tracks.  A good friend of mine highly recommend Mozy as being really incredibly easy to use, unobtrusive, having a great stance on how much you can back up (he warned Mozy he had a *lot*, and the response was just &#8220;Bring it on&#8221;), etc.  I was jazzed.</p>
<p>But sorry, no, you are not the arbiters of public safety.  That&#8217;s the whole point of court orders.  If someone is in imminent danger, the relevant court can have a subpoena in your hands in no time.  And as for protecting your policies, well, that&#8217;s not a good enough reason to hand over my data to third parties.  It&#8217;s not even a close call.</p>
<p>If Mozy ever want to revise that policy to be more like Carbonite&#8217;s, I&#8217;m in.  Meanwhile, I guess I have to go deal with their stuff.<br />
&#8211;<br />
T.J. Crowder<br />
tj / crowder software / com</p>
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		<title>By: Gert Poulsen</title>
		<link>http://starpointe.wordpress.com/2008/06/21/some-people-just-dont-get-it/#comment-373</link>
		<dc:creator>Gert Poulsen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Sep 2008 19:30:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think online backup tool are the way to go and that mozy is one of the best tools out there. I suggest you read why on the articles found here: http://www.internet-backup-service.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think online backup tool are the way to go and that mozy is one of the best tools out there. I suggest you read why on the articles found here: <a href="http://www.internet-backup-service.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.internet-backup-service.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: John O'Neill</title>
		<link>http://starpointe.wordpress.com/2008/06/21/some-people-just-dont-get-it/#comment-334</link>
		<dc:creator>John O'Neill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Aug 2008 19:44:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The issue here is the balance between what data your provider must hand over and how useful that data is to those gaining access. If your encryption is configured correctly your providers requirement (and even any possible desire) to hand over your data would be negated by you being the only encryption key holder.

http://backupanytime.com/blog/?p=138</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The issue here is the balance between what data your provider must hand over and how useful that data is to those gaining access. If your encryption is configured correctly your providers requirement (and even any possible desire) to hand over your data would be negated by you being the only encryption key holder.</p>
<p><a href="http://backupanytime.com/blog/?p=138" rel="nofollow">http://backupanytime.com/blog/?p=138</a></p>
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		<title>By: mihtjel</title>
		<link>http://starpointe.wordpress.com/2008/06/21/some-people-just-dont-get-it/#comment-301</link>
		<dc:creator>mihtjel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jun 2008 14:22:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I do have comments enabled on my blogs - Søren hasn&#039;t on his ;-) I merely reflected Søren&#039;s views and added my own on my blog, since I felt it was an area that would be of some interests to my readers as well.

I&#039;m glad that you&#039;ve chosen to comment a bit on the 3rd section of the clause, the one that really troubles me. While I&#039;m sure that your intentions are most likely very good, the intention of a privacy policy as a binding document is to make sure that they are - and the one offered by Mozy simple doesn&#039;t deliver. The two other examples Søren mention deliver much stronger language, and thus better protection, should the matter come before a court or law.

It is my hope that Mozy will take this discussion as a starting point to reviewing this clause of their privacy policy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do have comments enabled on my blogs &#8211; Søren hasn&#8217;t on his <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' />  I merely reflected Søren&#8217;s views and added my own on my blog, since I felt it was an area that would be of some interests to my readers as well.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m glad that you&#8217;ve chosen to comment a bit on the 3rd section of the clause, the one that really troubles me. While I&#8217;m sure that your intentions are most likely very good, the intention of a privacy policy as a binding document is to make sure that they are &#8211; and the one offered by Mozy simple doesn&#8217;t deliver. The two other examples Søren mention deliver much stronger language, and thus better protection, should the matter come before a court or law.</p>
<p>It is my hope that Mozy will take this discussion as a starting point to reviewing this clause of their privacy policy.</p>
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		<title>By: fork() &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Privacy and online backup solutions</title>
		<link>http://starpointe.wordpress.com/2008/06/21/some-people-just-dont-get-it/#comment-297</link>
		<dc:creator>fork() &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Privacy and online backup solutions</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jun 2008 07:39:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] days ago I wrote a post on Mozy Inc.&#8217;s privacy policy. A Mozy Inc. employee then decided to go ahead and tell me that I &#8220;just don&#8217;t get it&#8221;. So, to determine whether Mozy Inc.&#8217;s draconian privacy policy is representative of online [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] days ago I wrote a post on Mozy Inc.&#8217;s privacy policy. A Mozy Inc. employee then decided to go ahead and tell me that I &#8220;just don&#8217;t get it&#8221;. So, to determine whether Mozy Inc.&#8217;s draconian privacy policy is representative of online [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Ryan</title>
		<link>http://starpointe.wordpress.com/2008/06/21/some-people-just-dont-get-it/#comment-296</link>
		<dc:creator>Ryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jun 2008 14:57:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Recently, I tried to clarify a couple of concerns that a gentleman named &lt;a href=&quot;http://soren.overgaard.org/index.php/2008/06/22/mozy-update/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Søren&lt;/a&gt; and &lt;a href=&quot;http://blog.cluepusher.dk/2008/06/22/mozy-privacy-an-illusion/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;his friend&lt;/a&gt; had about Mozy&#039;s backup system. And to be honest, they make some valid points. They certainly had some great suggestions. They don&#039;t have comments enabled on their blogs though so I&#039;ll have to do the best I can here. 

Søren, good point about the wording of that third clause. I&#039;m &lt;em&gt;assuming &lt;/em&gt;the lawyers required it just in case something ever happens where the world is in danger and some data on the company&#039;s servers can prevent a major catastrophe (but that&#039;s just me talking). But I would &lt;em&gt;expect &lt;/em&gt;that the company would only retrieve information if it were ABSOLUTELY necessary. Accessing a user&#039;s information without permission could harm the company&#039;s reputation, and that would be quite a high price to pay. That fact, in-and-of itself would seem to be a pretty high motivation to keep everything secure. And for those individuals that are still hesitant, I repeat, use the private key. 

I appreciate your suggestions though. Your &lt;a href=&quot;http://soren.overgaard.org/index.php/2008/06/23/privacy-and-online-backup-solutions/trackback/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;newest post&lt;/a&gt; is even more helpful. I invite you to add other suggestions in the comments and I&#039;ll pass along what I can. We&#039;re always looking for ways to improve the product. 

(And no Søren, I&#039;m not in charge of PR or security, I&#039;m just an employee that wants to clear up a little confusion.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Recently, I tried to clarify a couple of concerns that a gentleman named <a href="http://soren.overgaard.org/index.php/2008/06/22/mozy-update/" rel="nofollow">Søren</a> and <a href="http://blog.cluepusher.dk/2008/06/22/mozy-privacy-an-illusion/" rel="nofollow">his friend</a> had about Mozy&#8217;s backup system. And to be honest, they make some valid points. They certainly had some great suggestions. They don&#8217;t have comments enabled on their blogs though so I&#8217;ll have to do the best I can here. </p>
<p>Søren, good point about the wording of that third clause. I&#8217;m <em>assuming </em>the lawyers required it just in case something ever happens where the world is in danger and some data on the company&#8217;s servers can prevent a major catastrophe (but that&#8217;s just me talking). But I would <em>expect </em>that the company would only retrieve information if it were ABSOLUTELY necessary. Accessing a user&#8217;s information without permission could harm the company&#8217;s reputation, and that would be quite a high price to pay. That fact, in-and-of itself would seem to be a pretty high motivation to keep everything secure. And for those individuals that are still hesitant, I repeat, use the private key. </p>
<p>I appreciate your suggestions though. Your <a href="http://soren.overgaard.org/index.php/2008/06/23/privacy-and-online-backup-solutions/trackback/" rel="nofollow">newest post</a> is even more helpful. I invite you to add other suggestions in the comments and I&#8217;ll pass along what I can. We&#8217;re always looking for ways to improve the product. </p>
<p>(And no Søren, I&#8217;m not in charge of PR or security, I&#8217;m just an employee that wants to clear up a little confusion.)</p>
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		<title>By: Mozy: Privacy an illusion? -- Bloggings of randomness</title>
		<link>http://starpointe.wordpress.com/2008/06/21/some-people-just-dont-get-it/#comment-295</link>
		<dc:creator>Mozy: Privacy an illusion? -- Bloggings of randomness</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jun 2008 10:02:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] on now - you can&#8217;t be serious? Apparently, according to someone who seems to be an employee, they are. The post doesn&#8217;t mention the last of the three clauses, though, but merely the cases of [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] on now &#8211; you can&#8217;t be serious? Apparently, according to someone who seems to be an employee, they are. The post doesn&#8217;t mention the last of the three clauses, though, but merely the cases of [...]</p>
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		<title>By: fork() &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Mozy, update</title>
		<link>http://starpointe.wordpress.com/2008/06/21/some-people-just-dont-get-it/#comment-294</link>
		<dc:creator>fork() &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Mozy, update</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jun 2008 06:34:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] employee (Ryan?) picked up on my rant about Mozy, Inc.&#8217;s privacy agreement, and decided to debunk my statements. I am not really all that impressed with his [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] employee (Ryan?) picked up on my rant about Mozy, Inc.&#8217;s privacy agreement, and decided to debunk my statements. I am not really all that impressed with his [...]</p>
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